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john kerry. >> i think that you are underestimating hillary clinton and president obama. karzai was here just recently -- >> i get that. >> you know, the most -- the most interesting aspect of that hearing actually was barely reported was the fact hillary clinton how aggressive she was in outlining the hawkish foreign policy. kept saying america has to get its act together. america has to lead. we have to confront the growing jihaddist threat in north africa. fine except for that it utterly opposite to the president's policy and foreign policy agenda. either she doesn't believe that and was saying it for her further political prospects or has been utterly rolled by this president and does not have a lot of influence with his administration. >> chris: benghazi, what difference does it make which was the big line that came out. does that stay with her or foregotten? >> certainly stays with her but four years from now it will be placed in a broader context i think. i think the sound bite will always be with her. she wanted to o be emotional and i think she was effective in t
john kerry. >> i think that you are underestimating hillary clinton and president obama. karzai was here just recently -- >> i get that. >> you know, the most -- the most interesting aspect of that hearing actually was barely reported was the fact hillary clinton how aggressive she was in outlining the hawkish foreign policy. kept saying america has to get its act together. america has to lead. we have to confront the growing jihaddist threat in north africa. fine except for...
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john mccain campaigned against george w. bush in 2000, a long time advocate of immigration reform is big advocate of this. democrats almost every case on this bipartisan committee as well as in the senate are expected to follow the president's lead whatever he outlines tomorrow many they're on board with that agenda. the big question and stumbling block has been for decades is border security. how do you define it, how do you support it? this includes the use of drones, technology, all kinds of electronic surveillance and et cetera, critics say there is not enough. you need a fence and more troops on the border. how that gets legislated and sorted out we her from the president and house republicans will be influence in the outcome. house republicans want to be very much a part of passing this legislation this time. jamie: i would love to see our troops continue to work down there. that would be so helpful. carl, thanks. jon: for more on the immigration reform plan let's bring if karl rove, former chief visor and deputy chief
john mccain campaigned against george w. bush in 2000, a long time advocate of immigration reform is big advocate of this. democrats almost every case on this bipartisan committee as well as in the senate are expected to follow the president's lead whatever he outlines tomorrow many they're on board with that agenda. the big question and stumbling block has been for decades is border security. how do you define it, how do you support it? this includes the use of drones, technology, all kinds of...
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you say we we have anything in the intervieth senator john mccain, hat did you hear? at isur take y that eight senators -- >> we have a path to citizenship end of story.immigration. look, youn talk senator john mccainnd others, but when but look the at politics of this, whate see are two political parties are sort of desperately trying to get through for very different reasons. romney only got 29 percent. e democrats areg to lock in the that danny ot a anent democratting rity and the republicans this and they are freaking out saying, we have to do something. the government willr not do that. whhey argue that yes, we are setting out a new setf enforcement, dronn the borderand allow the illegal to have a path to citizenship settin probationary pe, they have to go throughcc ground checks and payeir back xes, allf that sounds reasonable, but, the problem is we are a couf laws, not o are we now inviting a new wave, a new wave of illegals to come into theuntry? we have one example, o model for this, and thisis 1986. conservative, sign int an amnesty act a iiately it made al
you say we we have anything in the intervieth senator john mccain, hat did you hear? at isur take y that eight senators -- >> we have a path to citizenship end of story.immigration. look, youn talk senator john mccainnd others, but when but look the at politics of this, whate see are two political parties are sort of desperately trying to get through for very different reasons. romney only got 29 percent. e democrats areg to lock in the that danny ot a anent democratting rity and the...
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john mccain and schumer and everybody. because of the election. when the republicans lose 3 to 1 with hispanic voters who are only going to be a larger share of the electorate they have to do something different. they decide to drop the opposition to what used to be called amnesty. now john mccain and marco rubio say we have de facto amnesty now. we want to get people legal and do in a fair way to people waiting in line. there is not a line for people who have no family in the united states. you can't get in at all legally unless you have, unless you are a chain immigrant. i think politics are actually pretty good. i think it will be hard. opposition in the house. there are details that are unclear. how do you verify a border is secure? >> bret: commission that is nebulous. >> yes, but there are republicans and democrats working together on this. senate has excellent chance. >> instant legalization is not a detail. >> true. >> to use the phrase get the back of the line. there are two lines. line for immigrant legally in the united states. line for
john mccain and schumer and everybody. because of the election. when the republicans lose 3 to 1 with hispanic voters who are only going to be a larger share of the electorate they have to do something different. they decide to drop the opposition to what used to be called amnesty. now john mccain and marco rubio say we have de facto amnesty now. we want to get people legal and do in a fair way to people waiting in line. there is not a line for people who have no family in the united states....
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and joining me former ambassador john bolton. what do you make of his assessment of hillary clinton as our secretary of state. >> if you asked him he'd say candidly the best president, maybe lincoln or a little above. the finest secretary of state, and secretary of agriculture. i think it was part of the agreement, she would go out escort by him and did a good acting job. >> and brit hume how great hillary clinton was and from her performance had been mediocre, here is an example of what brit said. >> she's certainly been induce trees, she's visited 112 countries and her conduct of secretary of state has been dignified. homework, no gaffes or blunders. she's been a capable of hard working secretary of state, but i think her being the great secretary of state is exceedingly weak. >> megyn: and i think the average person, all right, we haven't seen any major blunders with a few exceptions, but nothing major. why hasn't she been great? >> well, i think she's been workman-like. she has followed the policies of the administration, but
and joining me former ambassador john bolton. what do you make of his assessment of hillary clinton as our secretary of state. >> if you asked him he'd say candidly the best president, maybe lincoln or a little above. the finest secretary of state, and secretary of agriculture. i think it was part of the agreement, she would go out escort by him and did a good acting job. >> and brit hume how great hillary clinton was and from her performance had been mediocre, here is an example of...
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senator john mccain acknowledged that reality yesterday. >> give you a little straight talk. look at the last election. look at the last election. we are lose drag mat i canly the hispanic vote which we think should be ours for a variety of reasons and we've got to understand that. >> reporter: so, a senate bill on immigration reform could be debated this spring. we'll see how that goes, bill. bill: thank you, steve. steve centanni in washington. martha has a bit more. martha: lawmakers of course made the round on the sunday talk shows and they expressed their support for the deal. here is some of that. >> cautiously optimistic. someone who spent years between the house and the senate trying to comprehensive immigration reform i'm cautiously optimistic. i see the right spirit. i see things that were once off the table for agreement and discussion being on the table. serious pathway forward. >> i think those rubio principles do a really good job of adhering to the founding principles, respecting the rule of law and respecting those who came here for a better life. martha: all
senator john mccain acknowledged that reality yesterday. >> give you a little straight talk. look at the last election. look at the last election. we are lose drag mat i canly the hispanic vote which we think should be ours for a variety of reasons and we've got to understand that. >> reporter: so, a senate bill on immigration reform could be debated this spring. we'll see how that goes, bill. bill: thank you, steve. steve centanni in washington. martha has a bit more. martha:...
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john cornyn of texas joins us now live on the curvy couch. good to see you. >> good morning. >> gretchen: i'm sure you saw the interview. the fist half talked just about their friendship. i was like, i hope they ask about libya. after the commercial break, they did talk about benghazi. were the answers sufficient for you? >> it seems like this is more of a pr initiative than an effort to get to the bottom of things. i know i watched the hearings some months after the incident and secretary clinton said, what's the big deal here? or words to that effect. the big deal is four americans lost their lives. we ought to be about trying to figure out how do preprevent that from happening again and how do we hold the people who were responsible accountable? >> steve: sure. do you think we're ever going to get to the bottom of this? >> i hope our friends in the house of representatives will not let this go and will get to the bottom of it. it's important to our national security. it's important to protect our diplomats and those abroad who are represen
john cornyn of texas joins us now live on the curvy couch. good to see you. >> good morning. >> gretchen: i'm sure you saw the interview. the fist half talked just about their friendship. i was like, i hope they ask about libya. after the commercial break, they did talk about benghazi. were the answers sufficient for you? >> it seems like this is more of a pr initiative than an effort to get to the bottom of things. i know i watched the hearings some months after the incident...